I talked to mann about this briefly earlier today, and while I can completely understand the view that words like “faggot” are exclusively slurs, I can’t bring myself to agree with it. As Aristotle put it, it is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it. I like to hope that those of you who consider this to be a hot button issue read this post in at least the same spirit.
Point the first, forbidding a word specifically because it offends some people is an immature and poorly considered course of action. As a christian, I’m occasionally offended by things said by some of you guys openly in the channel. If I were to react to this with indignant self righteous rage, or by starting a campaign to ban discussion of things that offend me, not only would I be in the wrong, but no one would go along with it, because that is stupid. As an adult, I respect your right to say things that offend me when you aren’t speaking with intentional malice. I think that this issue should be treated in the same manner; some things offend some people. That’s okay, we’re grownups.
Point the second, “faggot” does not function exclusively as a slur. Words like macfag, newfag, oldfag, and other derivatives are perfectly acceptable modern usages of the term that have zero homophobic connotations whatsoever.
Point the third, not even use of the term in it’s connotation as a slur need be offensive. For example, my statement “censorship is for faggots” is in itself an offensive statement, but taken in context of the discussion at large is a simple use of irony to illustrate a dismissive point. Sure, you could be offended by that, I guess, but pshhht. If I call dexanote, who I’m using for this example because he’s a nice fellow who can take a joke, a gutless cock ravaged asshelmet, he won’t be offended, because he is a cool guy who knows I bear him no ill will and am just being ridiculous. If I call him a stupid faggot buttmunch curb scraping, the same principle applies even though it includes the word faggot. Context makes it inoffensive.
A_Fat_Ghost calls people niggerlipped faggots. He is a great guy, and surely no one would advocate banning him. Context is everything. If you guys were saying “people should be kicked and banned for using the word faggot to willfully insult homosexuals”, I would agree completely. You’re not saying that.
Point the fourth, it is not the place of moderators to be offended. If you find yourself reacting to user actions or making rules based on your personal emotions, you are always wrong, no matter what the issue is, because you have failed to maintain moderative objectivity and are acting with bias. Waxx is not an asshole. He is a damn fair man, and here understands the importance of treating issues with detachment. When I was an op in the channel, I enforced rules based on how I felt at the time. Now I’m not an op, because that is bad. This principle applies to every issue, including this one.
Point the fifth,
CENSORSHIP IS NOT OKAY, EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
Never should any human being enforce a ruling that limits the free speech of another. Kicks for intentional and malacious trolling? Sure! Kicks for using a word you don’t like? Not okay. I unilaterally refuse to consider any word regardless of context a disciplinary offense and so should you.
Look. I realize offending people is a bad thing. I realize it’s unpleasant to be offended. I think we can all agree that people ought to be nicer to one another, but this is too much. By attempting to protect the interests of a group of people, you are imposing your will upon another and limiting their capacity to express themselves. That’s not acceptable.
In short, making use of the word faggot or its derivatives a punishable offense is a terrible, ignorant, stupid idea, and I do not agree with it. This applies to every other word you can think of, ever. pooryoric (x)
when I find myself in times of trouble
Roxy Lalonde comes to me
speaking words of wisdom
So I’m not very tall (5’ 7”) and sometimes when I see posts where girls are talking shit about short guys and how much they all love tall guys, I feel a twinge of bitterness and think to myself, “I wonder what they’d do if guys all of a sudden started judging them for meaningless physical attributes that they can’t control??”
But then I realize and I’m like ohh, yeah, right, gotcha.
I was gonna get mad but then the rest happened
You start off by saying that you feel upset by something that people do, and then decide that it’s ok because other people do the same thing.
You need to decide whether it’s morally acceptable to express an attraction to traits that you like in humans. If it isn’t, then it isn’t ok for anyone to do it regardless of their gender or the actions or judgements of any other person.
If it is ok, then ask yourself why you feel slighted.
Here’s the rule about telling someone about something wrong with their appearance:
If a person can fix it in 5 minutes or less, tell them
If they can’t…
That’s actually a really good way of putting it.